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Wonderful article Ben. It must have taken a tremendous amount of research effort. In my time debating the climate I have met some people who I think genuinely believe we are burning the planet and we need to change. I've also met a good few who have nefarious motives. Yet I've not met one who is prepared to forgo the benefits of fossil fuel derived products (such as thier Smartphone) - with no fossil fuels you have no fossil fuel products. When confronted with reality they remarkably cry all manner of excuses (my favourite being 'we want system change' but when I further challenge them on setting an example to others [as they want the UK to do so China, Russia, India et al will follow us] they quickly move the goal posts). It's clear that most proponents of AGW think that any energy transition will happen without any disruption. Some, the powerful, I reckon know it will, but it's 'disruption for me not for thee'.

The way the debate has circumvented democracy is shocking and one of a few big reasons I've checked out of society - I have almost zero faith in it (AGW, Covid, Wokedom and Brexit have strengthened my views considerably). I detect that you are a bit more optimistic than me and think reality will bite and is even biting now. At best I think we are in for another 10yrs before economic collapse. At worst, maybe 30. I recently watched a County Council climate meeting online where a Nottinghamshire MP declared 'a climate emergency' so a raft of policies could be brought in. This guy was a Conservative no less - promoting more control over the population!!! What does a Climate Emergency even mean for Nottinghamshire??? It's totally illogical and infantile. And if he and others believe it's a genuine emergency why aren't they spending every single minute and resource trying to combat it and making sure that everything is directed at the here and now. Like you would if you got stuck in a burning house type emergency - you know a real emergency.

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This is gato, talking about woke Covid believers, but he might as well be talking about climate activists, like Lynas:

"they are deeply brainwashed zealots who lack the ability to conceive that any right thinking human could disagree with them because they inhabit a broken ethos that is neither intellectual nor ethical, merely echo chamber.

their entire signal is a screech of feedback generated by the endless repetition of their own unquestioned and unquestionable dogmas that they have mistaken for ideological and intellectual purity and perhaps worse: consensus.

it's just another totalitarian movement but accelerated and made more pernicious by its own lack of awareness that it is a totalitarian movement.

so it breaks the brains of all within it forcing projection and hallucination to resolve the massive cognitive dissonance of quite literally being every single thing they purport to hate.

the more insane, aggressive, and hateful they become, the more insane, aggressive, and hateful they must call us in order to avoid the self-examination that would shatter the false sense of self they have created to cast themselves as the heroes of this morality play: for this would destroy them utterly.

they may not be questioned because deep down they know they have no answers but the admission of this would amount to self-abnegation and annihilation.

they have no real self, no real center. they are the activism they inhabit and they must therefore protect it to the last breath because in most truly meaningful ways, they will die if they lose it.

it makes every issue into a seeming existential treat. this is why they go so disproportionately wild when challenged. they will use this hair trigger rage as a weapon seeking to deter others from saying them nay."

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/endgame-when-the-woke-hallucination

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